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offline_icon_small  powdersnow

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From: se - Linköping
Clan: [T-POW] Captain
The clan feature on Power Soccer has always been weighed down by its over-emphasis on ELO Rating. Next week, as a step towards increasing the fun and rewarding clan activity, we’ll change all that by replacing the current rank structure with a new one. The new ranking will sort clans through the following calculation: Cup points last six weeks multiplied by ELO Rating.

So from next week, clans will need to increase their activity in order to become successful. The new way of counting also means the rank structure becomes more forgiving towards users who lose games in clan cups. ELO rating lost can be weighed up by cup points won.

And because we limit the ranking to only account for the cup points gained in the last six weeks, clans will need to stay active in order to stay successful.

We think this is a step in the right direction, stay tuned for the new and updated rnk table coming out next week. It's sure to change things around.
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 11:19am (CET)
Edited by a moderator: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 11:20am (CET) | Total edits: 1
offline_icon_small  embr01l

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From: en - U Nisy
Clan: [TVST] Captain
hmm, but why the change? so the worst clans can get to the top? I feel that's a bad change with changing the ELO, but I agree with being active and not being inactive and staying no 1...
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 1:27pm (CET)
offline_icon_small  amontiliadito

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From: gr - Patra,Athens
Clan: [ATG] Captain
So if a clan has gained 300 cup points over last 6 weeks and its ELO ranking is currently 1800, its overall ranking will be 300x1800= 540.000 ?

Anyway, after 2 years , it was about time that the ranking system that actually "rewarded" inactive clans, changed.

I don't completely agree with it, because a clan's rating is supposed to show how good it is, not how active. A simpler change could be to just "transfer" the system of personal rankings on the clan zone, aka when a clan doesn't play a clan cup for a certain period , its ranking goes N/A

Still, the change is welcome, the clan zone needed a new boost, kudos to the crew ;o
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 1:41pm (CET)
Edited by a moderator: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 2:28pm (CET) | Total edits: 3
offline_icon_small live_online

Total posts: 217
From: in - Mohali
Clan: [DnKs] Member
I don't like the changed as said by amontiliadito
"because a clan's rating is supposed to show how good it is, not how active."
Powdersnow.. i feel you must leave it the way it is!
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 2:14pm (CET)
offline_icon_small  bennaidu

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From: in - ...
Clan: [ATG] Member
live_online wrote:
i feel you must leave it the way it is!


Everything can improve, I don't quite get the why. Why activity is the key? It should be like our rp you play you win you don't play it becomes N/A.

amontiliadito wrote:
So if a clan has gained 300 cup points over last 6 weeks and its ELO ranking is currently 1800, its overall ranking will be 300x1800= 540.000 ?


Even I was confused, very strong point made there.

Nonetheless, nice job crew hope the new ranking system can be a bit tweaked.
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 2:33pm (CET)
offline_icon_small polarkid

Total posts: 3048
From: us - New York
Clan: [CSXI] Member
I am still unsure about this until i figure out how it works when i see the effects.
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 2:37pm (CET)
offline_icon_small agouaba

Total posts: 537
From: gr - Athens
Clan: [ATG] Member
amontiliadito wrote:
it was about time that the ranking system that actually "rewarded" inactive clans, changed. I don't completely agree with it, because a clan's rating is supposed to show how good it is, not how active. A simpler change could be to just "transfer" the system of personal rankings on the clan zone, aka when a clan doesn't play a clan cup for a certain period , its ranking goes N/A Still, the change is welcome, the clan zone needed a new boost, kudos to the crew ;o


agreed.
Congrats for that change , hopes it works correctly. :)
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 2:38pm (CET)
offline_icon_small born-to-try

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From: en - Cricket Stadium...
Clan: [CSXI] Member
Nah this is a ridicolous decision...but it will do good for CSXI:P
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 2:38pm (CET)
offline_icon_small  powdersnow

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From: se - Linköping
Clan: [T-POW] Captain
We realise this is a major change. It will change the way clans have to plot their strategy. They will need to fill up with more members, and get members more active. The top clans may even need to look around for new "meat" to fill up their clan, even though these new guys aren't as good as the best members of the clan. In short, this change should make clan building a more fun and challenging task for clan captains.

amontiliadito wrote:
So if a clan has gained 300 cup points over last 6 weeks and its ELO ranking is currently 1800, its overall ranking will be 300x1800= 540.000 ?


Exactly. But the ranking "points" is not the important factor here, the important factor is the ranking position. We will still show the points, but mainly as a way for clans to know how many points they have up to the leaders or down to the followers.

bennaidu wrote:
Everything can improve, I don't quite get the why. Why activity is the key?


Simple answer is: it takes skill to keep a clan active. It's a different type of skill, but still very much a skill. We feel the ELO alone in fact does NOT quite reward the most skilled clans, in that it rewards inactivity. The current ranking also rewards strategies whereby the weakest members of a clan are not allowed to play by the clan leaders. With this change, all members of a clan can make a difference.
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 2:51pm (CET)
offline_icon_small  amontiliadito

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From: gr - Patra,Athens
Clan: [ATG] Captain
@pow, on Monday, all clans start from scratch(regarding cup points) or with the points calculated by their last 6 weeks activity?
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 3:25pm (CET)
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offline_icon_small  lol18

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From: tt - Somewhere
Clan: [CSXI] Captain
This is a 50/50 chance. I like that activit issue is going to be fixed beacuse the top clan NBS isnt active right now But Now the big clans will play much more losing some ELO ranking i bet, but its all for a good purpose!
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 3:34pm (CET)
offline_icon_small ugotouzo

Total posts: 793
From: us - On Earth
Clan: [ATG] Member
Well bye bye no named brothers!!!! About time there gona go down
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 3:42pm (CET)
offline_icon_small shomuzzy

Total posts: 318
From: in - PUNE
Clan: [★тнѕ★] Captain
powdersnow wrote:
. Simple answer is: it takes skill to keep a clan active. It's a different type of skill, but still very much a skill. We feel the ELO alone in fact does NOT quite reward the most skilled clans, in that it rewards inactivity. The current ranking also rewards strategies whereby the weakest members of a clan are not allowed to play by the clan leaders. With this change, all members of a clan can make a difference.


yes its really good move my crew !!

Good player make the rating of clan high and then they don't play coz they scred of lossing rp , so many clan in top 30 are mosly inactive as they don't want to come down in rank and they feel its good enough rp let others come and catch us like NNBS there rp is high but they are inactive from long time and it will be good for DS , ATG , LNU , TVST and THS who is active and play clan cups.

Thanks crew really good idea!!
and 1 more good idea i give you remove jubulani :)
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 6:54pm (CET)
offline_icon_small .haiti

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From: us - haiti gonave
Clan: [HA♦TI] Captain
i think it's a good decision great job crew now my clan will be more successful.
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 7:27pm (CET)
offline_icon_small veliclaptore

Total posts: 343
From: in - Aurangabad
Clan: [LNUps] Member
really nice idea! there are so many clans in top 100 which have been completely inactive . so nice decision to include the activity of a clan to calculate its points.

ugotouzo wrote:
Well bye bye no named brothers!!!! About time there gona go down


hehe yeah . they havent got cup point in the last six weeks . so thats 0 points overall for them . from first to last :O
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 7:38pm (CET)
offline_icon_small born-to-try

Total posts: 1186
From: en - Cricket Stadium...
Clan: [CSXI] Member
Ok ok ok i get it,So now it means we play Clan cups for the sake of fun and not play for the rp!

W00t w00t !
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 8:05pm (CET)
offline_icon_small keston3

Total posts: 2194
From: tt - Pwning Island
Clan: [CSXI] Member
I think clans should be rated by a combination f all the player's rp, goals scored, cups won and sportsmanship stars. Its confusing but i think it is great!
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 8:56pm (CET)
offline_icon_small  powdersnow

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From: se - Linköping
Clan: [T-POW] Captain
amontiliadito wrote:
@pow, on Monday, all clans start from scratch(regarding cup points) or with the points calculated by their last 6 weeks activity?


With the points calculated by their last six weeks activity. So there will be shifts in the rank table (I know because I've already gotten a sneak glimpse of the new table with the new calculations: some of the top clans will stay top clans, others will take a horrific tumble)


born-to-try wrote:
Ok ok ok i get it,So now it means we play Clan cups for the sake of fun and not play for the rp! W00t w00t !


Exactly! :)
veliclaptore wrote:
really nice idea! there are so many clans in top 100 which have been completely inactive . so nice decision to include the activity of a clan to calculate its points. hehe yeah . they havent got cup point in the last six weeks . so thats 0 points overall for them . from first to last :O


I consider this a "bonus" effect, but indeed a very nice bonus. I am personally really sick of one-man-clans that aren't moving, but just takes their place at the top of the table and stop playing. Se7en is another example.
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 9:08pm (CET)
offline_icon_small blackdevil333

Total posts: 2115
From: lv - ...
Clan: [N-GEN] Member
I can't say anyhting about this innovation,but I hope it wil lwork properly and people will not complain about it :).
Written: 9/3/2010 (GMT+0200) 11:26pm (CET)
offline_icon_small dragonstriker

Total posts: 1585
From: us - ...
Clan: [MB] Member
This is a very cool change. I am always one that likes to play for the fun of the game without worrying about rp. Even though I am not in a clan, I think clan cups will start to increase in the coming days now that people won't be afraid to play at the risk of losing clan rp. Good job Crew, keep this train moving towards awesomeness.
Written: 9/4/2010 (GMT+0200) 12:02am (CET)
offline_icon_small  botten1

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From: no - Bergen
I like this change.

So what is the definition of a "good clan"? Is it only the level of quality in gameplay? I don`t think so. The clan´s ability to maintain a high activity is also something that is worthy to be taken into consideration, and atleast be of some worth.

In order to win the league, one must have played enough matches.

Same as calling yourself the best clan, one must have played enough clan cups to deserve that title:)
Written: 9/4/2010 (GMT+0200) 12:32am (CET)
offline_icon_small mustafaalvi1

Total posts: 274
From: in - delhi
nice change!!1 keep up the good work

i wanted nnbs to go down too like many other top 100 clans which r inactive completely

ATG members r very happy now i guess :P
Written: 9/4/2010 (GMT+0200) 12:44am (CET)
offline_icon_small keepitloose

Total posts: 3646
From: us - Misfitland
Clan: [★MF★] Member
As the proud captain of a very active clan on PS, I appreciate this change and think it will showcase the clans that should be highlighted...those that have active players, regardless of skill. Maybe this will shift the "RP wars" to individual rankings and allow the clan system to be more of a community-based system.

I look forward to seeing the results of this change.
Written: 9/4/2010 (GMT+0200) 3:35am (CET)
offline_icon_small jgj12

Total posts: 206
From: us - Houston
i dont agree with the changes because many of us have our hands full with things outside of powersoccer



-jgj12
Written: 9/4/2010 (GMT+0200) 3:48am (CET)
offline_icon_small desmondnew2

Total posts: 10866
From: sg - SNSD Korea
Best idead the crew ever have! I luv it! xD
Written: 9/4/2010 (GMT+0200) 9:01am (CET)
offline_icon_small deleters007

Total posts: 9
From: in - ...
Clan: [★тнѕ★] Member
good one..
Written: 9/4/2010 (GMT+0200) 1:21pm (CET)
offline_icon_small maxation2

Total posts: 2554
From: ca - Balloon City
good change but I think you should have clan activeness seperate from ranking or if you mixed them still show which clan has the most ELO Rating cause this new thing pretty much most active clan wins.)
Written: 9/4/2010 (GMT+0200) 7:46pm (CET)
offline_icon_small jozy.altidore-17

Total posts: 1
From: us - ...
This system will fail, you heard it here first.
Written: 9/4/2010 (GMT+0200) 8:19pm (CET)
offline_icon_small ihsolak

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From: us - Paterson
Clan: [CFCB-] Member
Skenderbeg and ROU number 1 and 2 now.
Written: 9/4/2010 (GMT+0200) 9:36pm (CET)
offline_icon_small  dasher1

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Total posts: 1485
From: in - kolkata
Clan: [ATG] Member
Well after hearing this I liked it but we have to see how it goes. I think this can be a great change cause now more clan will participate without any fear of losing rp. This will surely make a great craze for clan cups. Good CREW now i can play freely :P
Written: 9/5/2010 (GMT+0200) 6:44am (CET)
offline_icon_small  botten1

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From: no - Bergen
jgj12 wrote:
i dont agree with the changes because many of us have our hands full with things outside of powersoccer -jgj12


With he posibility of having 32 players in the clan, this should not be a problem. Start organizing your clan, mate, and your problem is fixed:)
Written: 9/5/2010 (GMT+0200) 10:15am (CET)
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